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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:31 pm  
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The only reasons a top union player would play league are....nope, can't think of any

A varied and high profile international calendar with sell out crowds?
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was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have


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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:52 pm  
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A varied and high profile international calendar with sell out crowds?

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:45 pm  
galliant wrote:
The only reasons a top union player would play league are....nope, can't think of any



A rare moment of clarity when an intrinsic brutally honest self appraisal reveals that the player in question is hiding in an inferior game while lying to himself that he's really testing himself to the limit of his mental and physical abilities!

Such a moment can either lead to further hiding and denial or said player can leave the comfort and familiarity of his self delusion and actually seek an answer to the question:
How good am I, Really?

Union players will only ever know this if they play League at the highest level.
I salute those who've done it like Scott Gibbs and Jonathan Davies but cowards like Guscott are just pretending to have been great when the truth is they were alright in a lower standard of Rugby.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:08 am  
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A rare moment of clarity when an intrinsic brutally honest self appraisal reveals that the player in question is hiding in an inferior game while lying to himself that he's really testing himself to the limit of his mental and physical abilities!

Such a moment can either lead to further hiding and denial or said player can leave the comfort and familiarity of his self delusion and actually seek an answer to the question:
How good am I, Really?

Union players will only ever know this if they play League at the highest level.
I salute those who've done it like Scott Gibbs and Jonathan Davies but cowards like Guscott are just pretending to have been great when the truth is they were alright in a lower standard of Rugby.


I much prefer league to union, but that's just stupid. They are two different sports. Do you think Lionel Messi looks in the mirror and says, "I might be the best football player of my generation, but it's all a lie because I've never been heavyweight champion."

And yes before anyone says anything I know that there are similarities between the codes and that mine is an extreme example, but my point still stands.

League is the faster game, but Union is by far the more technical game. You might not like Union, but is it beyond your comprehension that some people prefer watching and playing it over League?
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dally messenger wrote:
was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have


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You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:05 am  
The Avenger wrote:
A rare moment of clarity when an intrinsic brutally honest self appraisal reveals that the player in question is hiding in an inferior game while lying to himself that he's really testing himself to the limit of his mental and physical abilities!

Such a moment can either lead to further hiding and denial or said player can leave the comfort and familiarity of his self delusion and actually seek an answer to the question:
How good am I, Really?

Union players will only ever know this if they play League at the highest level.
I salute those who've done it like Scott Gibbs and Jonathan Davies but cowards like Guscott are just pretending to have been great when the truth is they were alright in a lower standard of Rugby.

Oh dear. :roll:

Union is the bigger and more popular sport in regards to TV money, attendances and viewing figures. It's poop apparently....but it's very successful poop!


BTW.....I doubt anyone other than maybe Stuart Barnes believes that Guscott was anything other than am average union player who was good at looking good with better players around him.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:30 am  
The Avenger wrote:
A rare moment of clarity when an intrinsic brutally honest self appraisal reveals that the player in question is hiding in an inferior game while lying to himself that he's really testing himself to the limit of his mental and physical abilities!

Such a moment can either lead to further hiding and denial or said player can leave the comfort and familiarity of his self delusion and actually seek an answer to the question:
How good am I, Really?

Union players will only ever know this if they play League at the highest level.
I salute those who've done it like Scott Gibbs and Jonathan Davies but cowards like Guscott are just pretending to have been great when the truth is they were alright in a lower standard of Rugby.


Remember going to Widnes in the late 1980's to watch Jonathan Davies' Rugby League debut. He was on the bench and got on for the last 18 minutes. One half decent run but nothing else. Guess the lesson is not to judge a cross code player on the basis of just his first match in the new code. Davies went on to become an RL as well as RU great.

Another Welsh RU superstar back who had the guts to test himself in RL at that time was Terry Holmes. He was on from the start in his debut for Bradford Northern that I attended at Swinton (Station Road). As it happens, his debut only lasted 18 minutes as well. Until most of the Swinton pack chased him towards the touchline and broke his arm. Terry went on to become a pretty accomplished Rugby League player for a year or two.

Still on the 18 minute cross code debuts, I see the England RU coach has already all but picked Sam Burgess for the England RU B team next month after just his 18 minutes of RU comprising two hit-ups (one from what would have been a hospital pass for most players) and one "clearing out a ruck" - smashing a bloke who didn't see Sam coming and who didn't have the ball! - Apparently all OK in Union laws. Guess Sam won't mind having to do that now and again if that's what's expected of him.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:46 am  
avenger, surely it's a bigger cowardice to hide behind your keyboard and call another man a coward, and never having the bottle to say it to their face. And as i said before, for a lad that clearly despises union, you sure must watch it a helluva lot
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:53 am  
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I see the England RU coach has already all but picked Sam Burgess for the England RU B team next month after just his 18 minutes of RU comprising two hit-ups


Eminently sensible I'd have thought. Not sure it'll achieve the objective of speeding up Sam's development as a union player but it has to be worth a go. It's a pity league doesn't have the luxury of B internationals against decent sides to do the same with ours.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:32 pm  
That flushed a few out didn't it!
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:25 pm  
I'm not Greenwood's biggest fan but he writes a good piece about Burgess in the Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... osper.html
I'm not Greenwood's biggest fan but he writes a good piece about Burgess in the Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... osper.html
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