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Set restarts - Refereeing Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:22 pm  

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One thing I've found myself moaning about on Twitter since the restart has been the refereeing, particularly set restarts. It just seems odd and not reflective of how the balance of games are going.

Saints won 42-0 against Wigan. A game they dominated throughout, both territorially and physically. Yet the set restart count was 7-1 (!) in favour of Wigan. How do they explain that? The Saints line was never under pressure, there were almost no breaks or wins of the collision, yet we conceded 7 set restarts. Wigan on the other hand were under a lot of pressure, scrambling round to hold their line and concede only 1? If it were junior/amateur there would be cries of mercy rule refereeing to keep the score down. Woolf has had a moan about it in the press after the Wigan game, but it was a similar situation against Warrington. When Saints were on top in the opening 20 odd minutes, 8-0 up, they were 3-0 behind on set restarts I believe. That game finished 7-1 as well I think. You'd expect Warrington to edge the stats for set restarts as they did the balance of the game.

I've noticed it in games other than Saints as well, one teams seems to get hammered at times and there's no consistency with how each team are refereed, even within the same game. Are some sides coached to give full penalties away and not set restarts as you are more likely to defend a penalty with a set line of defenders than a set restart? Or is just an issue with the standard of refereeing and they struggle for consistency in the same game never mind between games and referees?
Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:55 pm  
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Saddened! wrote:
One thing I've found myself moaning about on Twitter since the restart has been the refereeing, particularly set restarts. It just seems odd and not reflective of how the balance of games are going.

Saints won 42-0 against Wigan. A game they dominated throughout, both territorially and physically. Yet the set restart count was 7-1 (!) in favour of Wigan. How do they explain that? The Saints line was never under pressure, there were almost no breaks or wins of the collision, yet we conceded 7 set restarts. Wigan on the other hand were under a lot of pressure, scrambling round to hold their line and concede only 1? If it were junior/amateur there would be cries of mercy rule refereeing to keep the score down. Woolf has had a moan about it in the press after the Wigan game, but it was a similar situation against Warrington. When Saints were on top in the opening 20 odd minutes, 8-0 up, they were 3-0 behind on set restarts I believe. That game finished 7-1 as well I think. You'd expect Warrington to edge the stats for set restarts as they did the balance of the game.

I've noticed it in games other than Saints as well, one teams seems to get hammered at times and there's no consistency with how each team are refereed, even within the same game. Are some sides coached to give full penalties away and not set restarts as you are more likely to defend a penalty with a set line of defenders than a set restart? Or is just an issue with the standard of refereeing and they struggle for consistency in the same game never mind between games and referees?



More importantly, what did you think of the tackle that ended Jack Wells evening ?
Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:26 pm  

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Is it just that Saints are offending more than opponents?
Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:07 pm  

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Good god your not suggesting that the problem could be with the players rather than the refs. Mebbe saints were quite happy giving away sets at the tackle to ensure defensive line set properly
Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:22 pm  

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Good god your not suggesting that the problem could be with the players rather than the refs. Mebbe saints were quite happy giving away sets at the tackle to ensure defensive line set properly


Nah. Deffo been victimised.
Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:54 pm  

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Just like cas obviously, everyone picks on em
Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:16 pm  

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Wait. Is the argument that if a team is dominating the match physically, as well as in terms of possession (and territory) it can’t be offending at the ruck/ptb, leading to set restarts?

Or that a team being physically dominated *must* commit more ruck offences?

Because I’m not sure I see the logic there, tbh.
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Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:41 pm  

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Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:25 pm  

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How many were on the 1st or 2nd tackle as opposed to the 5th or 6th? Perhaps some teams are prepared to do it to slow the PTB early in the count.
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Re: Set restarts - Refereeing Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:14 pm  

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The set restarts do seem a bit random to be honest.

It is a new rule so there is bound to be inconsistencies, however the referees do need to get things in order sooner rather than later.
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