: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:16 am  

Seriously, you're just not listening are you!

The call for full time was made after we lost the licence, before the finance change. Plus, you can't neccessarily sign a full time squad as not all players want to be full time, this was the case with alot of players we signed.

The main problem we've had this year is players attitudes and the fact that we bizarrly don't train together, something Cull is rectifying, hence the release of Wildbore as he lives and works in Hull (not financial). The fact that we not train in the evenings means that the assistant coach role is part time, in these times you can't pay someone a good wage when they're not required for most of the time (not financial).

You fail to mention that we are actually signing people on loan and employing people (Cassidy) for roles within the club, so how are we doing this if the chairman isn't putting money into the club?

The club was poorly organised by the previous coach and it's something that will take time. I think Cull can only be admired for being so bold to make these major changes.

: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:40 am  

AJ Viking wrote:

Seriously, you're just not listening are you!

The call for full time was made after we lost the licence, before the finance change. Plus, you can't neccessarily sign a full time squad as not all players want to be full time, this was the case with alot of players we signed.

The main problem we've had this year is players attitudes and the fact that we bizarrly don't train together, something Cull is rectifying, hence the release of Wildbore as he lives and works in Hull (not financial). The fact that we not train in the evenings means that the assistant coach role is part time, in these times you can't pay someone a good wage when they're not required for most of the time (not financial).

You fail to mention that we are actually signing people on loan and employing people (Cassidy) for roles within the club, so how are we doing this if the chairman isn't putting money into the club?

The club was poorly organised by the previous coach and it's something that will take time. I think Cull can only be admired for being so bold to make these major changes.

How can signing players on load be a sign of stability? They may only be there for a month? Workington have just signed loads of players on loan and i wouldnt imagine that people think that they are a stable club currently. Is SOC getting cold feet? Promised to kepp the squad full time then goes back on his word. Sacking coaches, Bringing in one that doesnt appear to be any good. Might have have the Championship version of Newcastle Utd on our hands.

: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:46 am  

a.n Other wrote:

How can signing players on load be a sign of stability? They may only be there for a month? Workington have just signed loads of players on loan and i wouldnt imagine that people think that they are a stable club currently. Is SOC getting cold feet? Promised to kepp the squad full time then goes back on his word. Sacking coaches, Bringing in one that doesnt appear to be any good. Might have have the Championship version of Newcastle Utd on our hands.

I give up, seriously if you're going to make an arguement then at least give the whole picture. We're bring players in, you fail to mention that we've employed Mick Cassidy on a full time basis, convenient. If you want to think that SOC is getting 'cold feet' then fine, it allows you to detect from whats happening at Leigh this year and the embarrassing situations you seem to find yourself in (posts from your own fans).

SOC has backed his coach who is making massive changes at the club, for the long term success, it isn't going to change over night, the down side is that this is being done during a season and not in the close season.

: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:53 am  

AJ Viking wrote:

I give up, seriously if you're going to make an arguement then at least give the whole picture. We're bring players in, you fail to mention that we've employed Mick Cassidy on a full time basis, convenient. If you want to think that SOC is getting 'cold feet' then fine, it allows you to detect from whats happening at Leigh this year and the embarrassing situations you seem to find yourself in (posts from your own fans).

SOC has backed his coach who is making massive changes at the club, for the long term success, it isn't going to change over night, the down side is that this is being done during a season and not in the close season.

I have no interest in Leighs problems. Part of your picutre however is you have appointed Mick Cassidy, but sacked John Stanky so....you do the maths here...have you invested...or have you cut costs? You have signed players on loan, and let players leave either on loan or released...is this investing or again just making things equal out? The main thing is....your chairman stating you will be full time until you are in SL. So your squad was mainly part time with a few full timers...so instead of SOC funding a FULL full time squad to change your season...he has opted for the part time option....is this and investment...or a cost cutting exercise?

: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:15 pm  

We can speculate but there's only one person that can answer that question, the chairman. My personal opinion is that we don't need the money that much, they were all business decisions, something this club has had a pure lack of making in the past hence the administration and our failure to get a SL licence.

I very much doubt our chairman would have let everyone in for free twice this season if he desperately needed the money.

problems for widnes : Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:11 pm  

Not as many as usual for their NRC quarter final 1651. Almost as many as Harlequins and Crusaders in Non relegation League.

: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:25 am  

Pee poor atmosphere there tonight and the final winning margin flattered Widnes somewhat.

For sixty minutes York were well in with a chance but superior fitness showed plus the fact that Lord Lucan AKA TKL decided to pull on a jersey and then play to score a high quality hat-trick.

Craig Hall is a handy signing at this level.

Widnes look at their most dangerous when Smith takes flight from dummy half and I thought he had a pretty good game tonight. Gannon went well and boy were Widnes glad to have Gaskell in. His dummy half runs killed York at times.

Varkulis went on at 2nd row and looked far more useful while Pickersgill I thought went really well, particularly in his first spell on the field.

York had good performers themselves in fullback Ratcliffe, the March brothers, Mark Applegarth and Chris Clough - those two used late footwork to good effect with applegarth able to hit and spin and get the offload away. Paul Hughes at hooker was the revelation in the game until around an hour in when the York challenge began to fade, but its the second time i've seen them this season and they are of very similar quality to the bottom 4 sides in our competition and deserve credit for the way they try and play.

: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:48 am  

a.n Other wrote:

I have no interest in Leighs problems. Part of your picutre however is you have appointed Mick Cassidy, but sacked John Stanky so....you do the maths here...have you invested...or have you cut costs? You have signed players on loan, and let players leave either on loan or released...is this investing or again just making things equal out? The main thing is....your chairman stating you will be full time until you are in SL. So your squad was mainly part time with a few full timers...so instead of SOC funding a FULL full time squad to change your season...he has opted for the part time option....is this and investment...or a cost cutting exercise?

It may surprise you to know that business decisions can often be taken when the processes aren't working out right and not just for the financial reasons you so eagerly claim.

The set up at the club hasn't been working, Cullen is here to change that.

HTH

: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:15 am  

a.n Other wrote:

How can signing players on load be a sign of stability? They may only be there for a month? Workington have just signed loads of players on loan and i wouldnt imagine that people think that they are a stable club currently. Is SOC getting cold feet? Promised to kepp the squad full time then goes back on his word. Sacking coaches, Bringing in one that doesnt appear to be any good. Might have have the Championship version of Newcastle Utd on our hands.

What utter rot. Keep taking the drugs lad.

: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:42 am  

I also hear that widnes' very own professional troll has been released from his contract. See http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=413373

I also hear that widnes' very own professional troll has been released from his contract. See http://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?t=413373