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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:59 am  
I can't imagine anyone who is 1/150 on with the Bookies and expecting to win by 34 or more points would be enthralled by the game.

Especially when at half time, they were only four tries to three up against a side made up of academy players, reserve forwards and only 4 or 5 regulars.

The mood would not be helped by recent losses against Saints and Widnes and the fact they know that these wins mean nothing in the play-offs.

I did not think these supporters would become like St Helens ones and take things for granted though.
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:09 pm  
far too many meaningless games in SL
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:46 pm  
God. They do sound like an ungratefull mob. I remember going to the Millenium stadium first time round for the 'Magic' weekend before Moran's money rang the changes. They talked a completely different way then. Amazing how quickly they have changed with success. I was pleased when Wire broke into the top and changed the stranglehold of the same old clique. Now they have adopted the same arrogance of the old clique. RL is indeed an insular sport. Every club for itself and hang the sport!
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:04 pm  
why is it arrogant? they are allowed there opinions but if the atmosphere was flat then its there own problem.
There is a danger that the game can become too clinical tho, it happened with the aussie game for a couple of years, became extremely dull
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:05 pm  
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far too many meaningless games in SL


Only because sides like us frequently don't make the games as competetive as they should be. It's not like our squad is threadbare. We should be pushing these teams harder than we do and, furthermore, we shouldn't be losing at home to Hull KR and Widnes.

We can blame the structure of the competition all we want (and there is a persuasive argument that there are too many teams in SL) but it doesn't in any way excuse our blatant failings on the pitch in the last four years or so.
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:53 pm  
sadly despite all the attempts at changing it with the salary cap and franchise it has not had the effect it wanted of levelling the playing field. Look at the NRL and the number of different winners of the premiership. We still have the top 3 maybe 4 who dominate. Yep teams like Hudds push in to the mix but we all know us Salford, wakey, cas, widnes KR and Hull are unlikely to be pushing for honours.
We rejoice at a win against the likes of leeds wire sts etc
But its still the best game in world so hey ho
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:01 pm  
Not so sure I agree with all of that Penguin. Putting aside the team selections for the recent Warrington/Broncos game, I think our squad is pretty threadbare as we have a first team that picks itself backed up mostly by inexperienced youngsters. Warrington on the other hand have a team full of internationals, both on the park and the bench…….their squad is far bigger, better and more experienced than ours, but all allegedly paid for within the same salary cap. Hardly a surprise that the match result is a forgone conclusion.

This is the problem with the top 4 -6 teams and why we get the same old teams competing for honours every year……..they hold all the cards and the teams in the bottom half of the table mainly consist of average journeymen, inexperienced youngsters and a light sprinkling of talented players who are past their best. Anyone who shines in the lower half is quickly snapped up by the top teams (always plenty of room under their salary cap) and the status quo prevails.

I would agree that SL has become dull and perhaps there is an argument for reducing the number of clubs, reintroducing promotion/relegation to provide interest at both ends of the table etc……..but then again those options have not been successful for the long term future of clubs and the game in the past. Pains me to say it, but perhaps the game of RL has just become dull and boring, hence the general lack of interest from investors, sponsors and Joe public in general (do we have a main sponsor for the 2013 RL World Cup yet?).

Quins/Broncos have continually struggled both on and off the pitch…….some of it is their own doing but the RFL could also be criticised for their lack of investment and foresight in trying to grow the game anywhere outside of the North, including Wales, London, France. Perhaps the game will always be small beer and we would all be far happier if we just accepted that it is a minority sport and will remain so.
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:55 pm  
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Only because sides like us frequently don't make the games as competetive as they should be. It's not like our squad is threadbare. We should be pushing these teams harder than we do and, furthermore, we shouldn't be losing at home to Hull KR and Widnes.

We can blame the structure of the competition all we want (and there is a persuasive argument that there are too many teams in SL) but it doesn't in any way excuse our blatant failings on the pitch in the last four years or so.


Not enough teams in SL

And in terms of meaningless- goes both ways. Too many teams can lose too many games and still win the thing.
Every point should be priceless and battled over.

As it stands you can lose half your games and still make the playoffs
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:58 pm  
Relegation would make things more interesting
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Re: Arrogant to55ers : Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:35 pm  
Love or hate the play offs they do tend to be a success, remember those years back when with 6 weeks to go the champions had been decided so in effect last 6 weeks of the season a waste of time
Promotion and demotion! again one of those very emotive issues, as the whole of the game has now gone summer it could work as the team that's promoted get a decent gap in which to build a squad

Back to the play offs top 8 is taking the micky a little bit but hey ho, all the teams know what the score is with the end of the season
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