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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:33 pm  
Cowgirl Nostalgist wrote:
Can you decipher what he's on about?

I got the dig at Bradford (which is a given) but that's about it.

So bah humbug & proud of it.


Lol, emotions are running high because of the extinction of ones club. I just hope we can survive and everyone else in the SL flourishes also and we all pull together, after such a great RLWC.

Still no official statement and deadline coming soon, so trying to wait patiently. Tis the season to be Positive! :)
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:51 pm  
It's all Nigel Wood's fault apparently.

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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:19 pm  
Cowgirl Nostalgist wrote:
I almost wish the club would fold so we could be spared your mangle speak.


Honestly feel sorry for you if you can't understand what is written! seems some complex you have?

I stated clearly, I have heard the same as The Penguin stated re ownership of our club for 2013, but 2014 I have heard different, now are you with me so far?

I stand by what I say, that Red Hall have made more effort with Bradford and in assisting Salford, but all you get is silence with our situation, if you are completely happy with that situation, that is your opinion!
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:24 pm  
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I stand by what I say, that Red Hall have made more effort with Bradford and in assisting Salford, but all you get is silence with our situation, if you are completely happy with that situation, that is your opinion!


Not sure about Salford, but in Bradford's case they bought the freehold to the ground. Not as if they could do that with us.

I don't think you can really compare like by like with this case. What could we have realistically asked the RFL to have done? Stepped in and run the club? That could have been a disaster.
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:02 pm  
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Not sure about Salford, but in Bradford's case they bought the freehold to the ground. Not as if they could do that with us.

I don't think you can really compare like by like with this case. What could we have realistically asked the RFL to have done? Stepped in and run the club? That could have been a disaster.


The Penguin, I respect your opinions! Yes they purchased the freehold, what would have happened with The RFL doing that? but it frustrates me the mistakes they made with those who have handled that club since, praising new owners one week and then deciding them not fit a week or so later? add to that the lack of sponsorship, and the Stobart farce, I fully agree when you say "What could we have realistically asked the RFL to have done? Stepped in and run the club? That could have been a disaster.

People have slated our CEO, and that has always seemed fair game, I just feel now Ian Lenagan has to be backed and we need to run Super League by completely professional staff, as football and union have run their Premierships, if we miss this chance, I worry about doing nothing! the game that has been my life, being a supporter only a small part of it. Games can't stand still, but the last proposals still on the table for change, still look as if they were written down on the back of a cigarette pack.
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:08 pm  
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If the beakeven figure is crowds of 10,000 and DH is only paying the losses for one season as he is retiring, there has to be more to this. AK wont take on a loss making enterprise at the Hive as he is very tight with money and isnt a RL fan either.


One of the biggest myths in RL that 10k crowds are breakeven. breakeven is determined by income and outgoings not size of crowd. A sustainable club needs to control outgoings and maximise income. To be sustainable and maximise the chance of success on the park then the player wages part of outgoings needs to be at or close to maximum salary cap.

How income is generated does not really matter, as long as it is generated, but to illustrate this point consider the Huddersfield Giants. Last season they were 10th of 14 in crowd numbers but 7th of 14 in match day income. A couple of reasons for that, one being only actually counting fans who were in the ground rather than (free) tickets issued, another being having decent corporate facilities.

In terms of long term viability, both Huddersfield Giants and Huddersfield Town will benefit from the leisure and retail development to be built on the land around the stadium, land indirectly owned by the clubs through the stadium company. Ken Davy is creating a legacy for sport in Huddersfield, the club are currently subsidised but are well run and have a solid ongoing business plan that will be enhanced by but is not dependant on 10k crowds. David Hughes should really have insisted upon putting some form of legacy in place whilst shelling out a Kings ransom over the last few years.

It seems unlikely renting the Hive will do that for London, but the key is not necessaily 10k crowds but sustainable revenue streams. I seems likely outgoings are greater in London, but I would also strongly suspect income generated per spectator in London is higher than most other SL clubs.

I repeat 10k crowds = breakeven is a myth.
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:13 pm  
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I repeat 10k crowds = breakeven is a myth.


Agree! who gets 10K crowds in Super League every game, Hull, Leeds, Warrington, Wugan & St Helens, that is it! Bulls used to regularly but no longer!
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:23 pm  
You cannot compare each club who have gone bust, each have been different circumstances.

The RFL couldn't do a lot. The club had no ground, so they couldn't buy a ground that didn't exist.
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:28 pm  
At Griffin Park we were always told that 5k was break even.
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Re: Sean Long new Broncos coach, Tony Rea CEO : Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:32 pm  
Moe Lester wrote:
You cannot compare each club who have gone bust, each have been different circumstances.

The RFL couldn't do a lot. The club had no ground, so they couldn't buy a ground that didn't exist.


The only way that Super League is going to work in London is IF the whole game and all clubs gets behind it! not just The RFL.

5K can work! lets wait and see what is going to happen in the agreement after 2014!
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