Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 11:58 am  

Sporting life saying Hock is to appeal tonight http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480

Sporting life saying Hock is to appeal tonight http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 1:52 pm  

Hock caused it by trying to get his head to the outside when he knew it was Saints scrum so it should have been a Saints head on the outside. The ref should have stepped in then and told Hock to stop acting stupid in the scrum.

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 3:38 pm  

Wandering Warrior wrote:

LMS didnt throw one punch but he threw his head instead If you watched it back you would see this.

Scrotebrook tried to headbutt Hock. Hock then retaliated by throwing punches, thats not a 2 game ban no matter who it was imo.

Ok found it on you tube,

52:14, hock beds down head on the wrong side of the scrum
52:14 LMS lifts his head and pushed hock (CORRECTLY) inside the scrum and puts his head down on the outside, this is where it should have stopped
LMS head is now lined up infront of hocks shoulder, and hock infront of LMS shoulder, where as they should have been both tucked in.
LMS pushes forward in the scrum shoving head into hocks shoulder, hock is off balanced.

Hock not liking being pushed backwards, ducks his head around and under LMS in an attempt to (and I'm being generous here) push him off. However to any other person he is lifting the back of his head into LMS. LMS takes this as a head butt.

LMS stands up as does hock and go face to face, hock with his hands up straight away grabbing hold of LMS's head.

After that other players gather around and hock gets a few sly digs in. LMS has his arms around hocks waist in a grapple you could say and good job he did as if he had not hock could have backed away and rather than the punches thrown hitting LMS in the chest or stomach (can't really see) he would have been upper cutting into the face.

The closest thing to a head butt is Hock after having his head pushed back into the middle of the scrum.

It was the usual from Hock, trying to impose himself on opposition players, there is a few on You Tube to choose from. You have to watch it several times but no LMS does not head butt, if you feel i'm biased, well he was not cited for any head butt.

I think if Wayne is saying such in any appeal he needs to be careful with his words as he could easily end up accusing a player (LMS) of something he has not done.

[DaveO]

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 3:52 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Ok found it on you tube,

52:14, hock beds down head on the wrong side of the scrum
52:14 LMS lifts his head and pushed hock (CORRECTLY) inside the scrum and puts his head down on the outside, this is where it should have stopped
LMS head is now lined up infront of hocks shoulder, and hock infront of LMS shoulder, where as they should have been both tucked in.
LMS pushes forward in the scrum shoving head into hocks shoulder, hock is off balanced.

Hock not liking being pushed backwards, ducks his head around and under LMS in an attempt to (and I'm being generous here) push him off. However to any other person he is lifting the back of his head into LMS. LMS takes this as a head butt.

LMS stands up as does hock and go face to face, hock with his hands up straight away grabbing hold of LMS's head.

After that other players gather around and hock gets a few sly digs in. LMS has his arms around hocks waist in a grapple you could say and good job he did as if he had not hock could have backed away and rather than the punches thrown hitting LMS in the chest or stomach (can't really see) he would have been upper cutting into the face.

The closest thing to a head butt is Hock after having his head pushed back into the middle of the scrum.

It was the usual from Hock, trying to impose himself on opposition players, there is a few on You Tube to choose from. You have to watch it several times but no LMS does not head butt, if you feel i'm biased, well he was not cited for any head butt.

I think if Wayne is saying such in any appeal he needs to be careful with his words as he could easily end up accusing a player (LMS) of something he has not done.

Well all your research and comments based on it are completely irrelevant because Wigan and Wane are not appealing Hock's guilt but the severity of the punishment.

There is no way LMS is going to get metioned at all.

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 4:01 pm  

DaveO wrote: Well all your research and comments based on it are completely irrelevant because Wigan and Wane are not appealing Hock's guilt but the severity of the punishment. There is no way LMS is going to get metioned at all. Well they tried it the first time round http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3700 The player admits the charges against him. Mr Wane (Head Coach) added that his opponent initiated the confrontation by head-butting Mr Hock, and that Gareth is often provoked by his opponents. Mr Hock concurred with this view and added that during the confrontation his opponent through a number of punches which he then retaliated to. He plead guilty to start with, they used LMS to try and reduce the severity of the sentence It's not unreasonable that they would try the same again.

DaveO wrote: Well all your research and comments based on it are completely irrelevant because Wigan and Wane are not appealing Hock's guilt but the severity of the punishment. There is no way LMS is going to get metioned at all. Well they tried it the first time round http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3700 The player admits the charges against him. Mr Wane (Head Coach) added that his opponent initiated the confrontation by head-butting Mr Hock, and that Gareth is often provoked by his opponents. Mr Hock concurred with this view and added that during the confrontation his opponent through a number of punches which he then retaliated to. He plead guilty to start with, they used LMS to try and reduce the severity of the sentence It's not unreasonable that they would try the same again.

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 4:19 pm  

They are hoping to get Hocks suspension reduced. That may fail, but, LMS may cop a suspension after hearing mitigating circumstances.

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 4:58 pm  

The cut and dried of it is, Gaz Hock got the maximum punishment because he's Gaz Hock. His previous record goes before him whenever he goes in front of the disciplinary so I really can't see the appeal being successful. Had it been a player up with a clean record up before the beak after doing what Hock did it would have been a different outcome

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 5:14 pm  

Would be great to have Hocky back for Catalans away if he can only get it reduced by a game.

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 5:22 pm  

Appeal dismissed, ban stands.

Re: Bans - HOCK 2 GAMES, TUSON 1 GAME : Wed May 30, 2012 5:39 pm  

dirtbag83 wrote:

The cut and dried of it is, Gaz Hock got the maximum punishment because he's Gaz Hock. His previous record goes before him whenever he goes in front of the disciplinary so I really can't see the appeal being successful. Had it been a player up with a clean record up before the beak after doing what Hock did it would have been a different outcome

Naturally, previous records are taken into account in every judicial hearing sporting or otherwise.

Get caught speeding once get a fine and a telling off, get caught speeding for the 10th time expect some jail time.