Super Cricket West Indies v England : Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:10 pm  

Squad announcement. No place for Vaughan and quite rightly so.... England Test Squad 1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire) 2. Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) 3. James Anderson (Lancashire) 4. Ian Bell (Warwickshire) 5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire) 6. Paul Collingwood (Durham) 7. Alastair Cook (Essex) 8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire) 9. Stephen Harmison (Durham) 10. Monty Panesar (Northamptonshire) 11. Matt Prior (Sussex) 12. Adil Rashid (Yorkshire) 13. Owais Shah (Middlesex) 14. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire) 15. Andrew Strauss (Middlesex) 16. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire) England One-day Squad 1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire) 2. James Anderson (Lancashire) 3. Ian Bell (Warwickshire) 4. Ravi Bopara (Essex), 5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), 6. Paul Collingwood (Durham) 7. Steven Davies (Worcestershire) 8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire) 9. Stephen Harmison (Durham) 10. Dimitri Mascarenhas (Hampshire) 11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire) 12. Matt Prior (Sussex) 13. Owais Shah (Middlesex) 14. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire) 15. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire) England Lions Squad 1. Robert Key (captain, Kent) 2. Gareth Batty (Worcestershire) 3. Ravi Bopara (Essex) 4. Mark Davies (Durham) 5. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)* 6. Joe Denly (Kent) 7. Amjad Khan (Kent) 8. Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire) 9. Stephen Moore (Worcestershire) 10. Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) 11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire) 12. Liam Plunkett (Durham) 13. Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire) 14. Luke Wright (Sussex) *Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) will replace Steven Davies in the Lions squad following the conclusion of the Test series in West Indies. http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/squad,303641,EN.html

Squad announcement. No place for Vaughan and quite rightly so.... England Test Squad 1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire) 2. Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) 3. James Anderson (Lancashire) 4. Ian Bell (Warwickshire) 5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire) 6. Paul Collingwood (Durham) 7. Alastair Cook (Essex) 8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire) 9. Stephen Harmison (Durham) 10. Monty Panesar (Northamptonshire) 11. Matt Prior (Sussex) 12. Adil Rashid (Yorkshire) 13. Owais Shah (Middlesex) 14. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire) 15. Andrew Strauss (Middlesex) 16. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire) England One-day Squad 1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire) 2. James Anderson (Lancashire) 3. Ian Bell (Warwickshire) 4. Ravi Bopara (Essex), 5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), 6. Paul Collingwood (Durham) 7. Steven Davies (Worcestershire) 8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire) 9. Stephen Harmison (Durham) 10. Dimitri Mascarenhas (Hampshire) 11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire) 12. Matt Prior (Sussex) 13. Owais Shah (Middlesex) 14. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire) 15. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire) England Lions Squad 1. Robert Key (captain, Kent) 2. Gareth Batty (Worcestershire) 3. Ravi Bopara (Essex) 4. Mark Davies (Durham) 5. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)* 6. Joe Denly (Kent) 7. Amjad Khan (Kent) 8. Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire) 9. Stephen Moore (Worcestershire) 10. Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) 11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire) 12. Liam Plunkett (Durham) 13. Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire) 14. Luke Wright (Sussex) *Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) will replace Steven Davies in the Lions squad following the conclusion of the Test series in West Indies. http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/squad,303641,EN.html

Re: Super Cricket West Indies v England : Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:19 pm  

Common sense prevails

airliebird9 wrote:

*Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) will replace Steven Davies in the Lions squad following the conclusion of the Test series in West Indies

Not happy. Davies is a top player especially in the shorter game.

[Matt_Horton]

Re: Super Cricket West Indies v England : Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:27 pm  

The Penguin wrote:

Not happy. Davies is a top player especially in the shorter game.

That's possibly why he's in the One Day squad then captain.

Re: Super Cricket West Indies v England : Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:30 pm  

The Penguin wrote:

Common sense prevails



Not happy. Davies is a top player especially in the shorter game.

I took that as meaning Ambrose will travel to NZ to play with the lions whilst Davies will play in the ODI series in the Caribbean. It does say after the TEST series and Davies is in the ODI squad??...

Re: Super Cricket West Indies v England : Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:08 pm  

Oldham Rhino wrote:

That's possibly why he's in the One Day squad then captain.

Just as well then!

: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:00 pm  

Cracking looking little player is Davies - undoubtedly the best young keeper I've seen for quite some time with the bat and the gloves...I still think Foster deserves another crack at least as back-up to Prior.

Another thing - 3 spinners to theWest Indies? When was the last time that happened for us??

Good to see Mascarenhas back in the ODI squad too considering he did absolutely nowt wrong to get dropped in the first place.

: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:29 pm  

What does Ian Bell have to do to get dropped ? I like Bell, but his record in ODI cricket is cack. Denly &/Or Key must have been a better alternative against in International Cricket terms, a 'weaker nation' to bed in.

I'd also put Rashid in the ODI side at the expense of Patel, take a look at him in International Cricket before he's plunged into a test scenario.

Put Flintoff, Shah & KP into the Lions side and it looks quite an exciting side.

: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:36 pm  

JWP wrote:

What does Ian Bell have to do to get dropped ? I like Bell, but his record in ODI cricket is cack. Denly &/Or Key must have been a better alternative against in International Cricket terms, a 'weaker nation' to bed in.

Key is one of the last people who should be considered for limited overs matches - an orthodox batsman, non-bowler and mediocre fieldsman - and he's older than Bell to boot.

JWP wrote:

I'd also put Rashid in the ODI side at the expense of Patel, take a look at him in International Cricket before he's plunged into a test scenario.

Patel is primarily a batsman and therefore not directly interchangeable with Rashid, and furthermore he's another youngster who has barely had a proper chance himself at ODI level. Dropping him for another young player would be all wrong.

: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:41 pm  

Denly for England

: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:23 am  

Prince of Denmark wrote:

Key is one of the last people who should be considered for limited overs matches - an orthodox batsman, non-bowler and mediocre fieldsman - and he's older than Bell to boot.


Patel is primarily a batsman and therefore not directly interchangeable with Rashid, and furthermore he's another youngster who has barely had a proper chance himself at ODI level. Dropping him for another young player would be all wrong.

Key - Firstly, I couldn't give a monkeys about his age. I'm bothered about getting an ODI side together that can compete for a World Cup. He is an orthodox batsmen, but one who's domestic 20/20 & Limited Overs record over the past couple of years with Denly pushes him forward for selection.

Patel is a bits & pieces cricketer, batting at 7 for England and bowling part time off spin, I'd rather see Rashid get a go, I think he has the potential to be a recognised batsmen but is more of a frontline bowler than Rashid, is far more mobile in the field & has alot more improvement in him of the two, I think he's the one who would benefit from playing with better players more. From what i've seen of him, he looks like someone who learns quickly and has a 'big game' arrogance to him.

Denly is the one who should be in above Bell or Key. I don't care how old Ian Bell is, he isn't an ODI cricketer. He can't pace an innings, and if you can't do that you need to dominate at the top of theinnings and he can't do that, so there's no place for him.

If England went with an interchangeable top five of :

Shah
Denly
KP
Flintoff
Collingwood

Four of the top five are people capable of dominating an attack.